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lupo 3l 1.2tdi transmission problem

Bericht door hiverty » 27 dec 2019, 22:33

Hi!
Sadly i don't know your language, so i will write in English.
I'm from Latvia.

My issue :
yesterday when i was driving home car stopped.
Engine was still running, but car was not in gear. so i turned car off and started engine. car started to drive, but when it changed gear from 2nd to 3rd same issue again.
tried to switch to tiprtonic(manual). when i switch from 2nd to 3rd again car looses power and just stops. Engine still running, but car is not in gear.

what could be wrong?
i havn't been in service. but my father who is automechanic called to couple places and when he said it's electric manual everyone told that it's a big problem and noone will know what to do.

my car : Lopo 3l, year 2000

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Re: lupo 3l 1.2tdi transmission problem

Bericht door Johan » 28 dec 2019, 11:15

Hi there,

Your car suffers from the most common issue of the 3L.
This are the first signs of malfunction and soon it will stop completely.
You have to repair the gear box and of the clutch.

There is very much writtien on this forum about your problem. I will give you some links, and then you have to google translate to see what you possibly can do.

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Re: lupo 3l 1.2tdi transmission problem

Bericht door Johan » 28 dec 2019, 11:24

https://www.3lvrienden.nl/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=4275
https://www.3lvrienden.nl/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=4313

You can always unlock the battery for a few seconds, when you car does not move. Then the system wil reset and most of time it will work for a while.
But you must repar it.
Have you done the "basics" (in Dutch: basisinstellingen) recently.

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Re: lupo 3l 1.2tdi transmission problem

Bericht door hiverty » 28 dec 2019, 11:34

Johan schreef:
28 dec 2019, 11:15
Hi there,

Your car suffers from the most common issue of the 3L.
This are the first signs of malfunction and soon it will stop completely.
You have to repair the gear box and of the clutch.

There is very much writtien on this forum about your problem. I will give you some links, and then you have to google translate to see what you possibly can do.
Then it's probably gear fork inside gearbox?
At least thats is what i could found in this forum.
Hidrolic oil is full, nice color.

My father called to one place where they fix gearboxes and they told that work would be around 600e to fix these kind of gearboxes.
I found that i could get used one for 200.

i guess first thing what i will do after new year i will bring car to mehanic place so they could check errors and check gearbox oil for metal things.

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Re: lupo 3l 1.2tdi transmission problem

Bericht door hiverty » 28 dec 2019, 12:51

Johan schreef:
28 dec 2019, 11:24
https://www.3lvrienden.nl/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=4275
https://www.3lvrienden.nl/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=4313

You can always unlock the battery for a few seconds, when you car does not move. Then the system wil reset and most of time it will work for a while.
But you must repar it.
Have you done the "basics" (in Dutch: basisinstellingen) recently.
if by basics you mean gearbox adaptation, then no :/
and i guess it havn't been done for so so so long.
i bought this less than one month ago.
i needed cheap car that consumes low amount of fuel.

1,2 and reverse works like a charm.
maybe basisinstellingen will help?

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Re: lupo 3l 1.2tdi transmission problem

Bericht door Johan » 28 dec 2019, 15:23

Oh dear.

Now I see you might have bought an terrible car.
When you don't know what problems these car may have, you can be sure you buight one with troubles.

It is a very complex car and here in Holland whe have a few experts in these cars.
Most VW dealers do not know anything about this specially type of car (The 3L) and cannot fix your problem.

Then the "basiscs" It is a nust for your car and must be done every 30.000 km, (better earlier). If it is not done, then your car will wear down faster and you get the problems you now have.

What is your milage (kilometers). Because around 200.000 - 250.000 your transmission / gear box, centrainly must have been renewed.
I hope your car can be fixed by a specialist, but when you live in a country wil only a few of these types 3L, there will ben no specialist and your car cannot be fixed.

You must know that the gearbox is in fact not a realy automatic, but a manual shift. The gears and clutch are operated by an hydrolic system.
You can first of all check if the grean hydrolic oil is on level.

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Re: lupo 3l 1.2tdi transmission problem

Bericht door hiverty » 28 dec 2019, 19:40

Johan schreef:
28 dec 2019, 15:23
Oh dear.

Now I see you might have bought an terrible car.
When you don't know what problems these car may have, you can be sure you buight one with troubles.

It is a very complex car and here in Holland whe have a few experts in these cars.
Most VW dealers do not know anything about this specially type of car (The 3L) and cannot fix your problem.

Then the "basiscs" It is a nust for your car and must be done every 30.000 km, (better earlier). If it is not done, then your car will wear down faster and you get the problems you now have.

What is your milage (kilometers). Because around 200.000 - 250.000 your transmission / gear box, centrainly must have been renewed.
I hope your car can be fixed by a specialist, but when you live in a country wil only a few of these types 3L, there will ben no specialist and your car cannot be fixed.

You must know that the gearbox is in fact not a realy automatic, but a manual shift. The gears and clutch are operated by an hydrolic system.
You can first of all check if the grean hydrolic oil is on level.


Car was bought January in Holland by owner before me. Car right now have 465 000 kilometers :) a lot, but it was running and sounded really good.

i Checked oil and when i unscrew air accumulator i could add only a 1cm at maximum, so i guess it's still ok.
Of course when i haven't unscrewed accumulator it's almost half empty.

Accumulator feels good too, i can switch 4-5 times before it's been pumped again.


i will try to get my car checked by mechanit on monday. i will ask them to check :
1)gearbox oil for metal pieces to find out if gearbox is broken.
2)check for errors
3) and i will ask them to make gearbox adaptation. i hope they will understand what i mean...

i need to give these instructions to mechanic?
Clutch Travel Sender Adaptation
[Select]
[02 - Transmission]
[Measuring Blocks - 08]
Block 002
[Go!]
Remove connector from hydraulic unit.
Check field 2, specification is 1.8...2.0 V.
If the specification is not reached, adjust the Clutch Travel Sender (G162).
Re-attach connector to hydraulic unit.
[Done, Go Back]
[Close Controller, Go Back - 06]
Cycle ignition OFF/ON.
[Select]
[02 - Transmission]
[Fault Codes - 08]
[Clear Codes - 05]
[Done, Go Back]

Gear Actuator Adaptation
[Basic Setting - 04]
Block 014
[Go!]
1st field should change from WAIT to ADJUST.
Loosen the gear actuator nut and tighten it with zero-potential.
Switch selector lever in E or D and back to Tiptronic Mode.
1st field should show WAIT now, transmission now does some shifts, you can monitor them in field 2 (Range: 0...28).
1st field should change from WAIT to (-), pull the selector lever to Minus and hold it for 5 seconds.
1st field should show STOP now, put the selector lever in position STOP and wait 5 seconds.
1st field should show KickDown now, floor the accelerator pedal completely (to kick down) and wait 5 seconds.
1st field should show N now, put the selector lever in position N.
1st field should show StartMot now, start the engine and let it idle 15 seconds.
1st field should change from SEARCHNG to IGN.OFF, put the selector lever in Position STOP.
Switch ignition off and wait 15 seconds.
In case there is an Error during the Basic Setting, the Measuring Value Blocks (MVB) will show RTFM! followed by a Number which describes the Reason why it failed.

7 = Potentiometer 2 for Gear Recognition (G240)
Check Switches and Wiring/Connectors using Measuring Value Blocks (MVB) and Wiring Diagram.
8 = Potentiometer 1 for Gear Recognition (G239)
Check Switches and Wiring/Connectors using Measuring Value Blocks (MVB) and Wiring Diagram.
9 = Reverse Light Switch (F4)
Check Switches and Wiring/Connectors using Measuring Value Blocks (MVB) and Wiring Diagram.
10 = Potentiometer Values fluctuating during Measurement
Check the corresponding Potentiometers in Measuring Value Blocks (MVB) 015 to 018
Check Fault Codes (repair if necessary) and Perform Basic Setting again
11 = Potentiometer Values
Check the corresponding Potentiometers in Measuring Value Blocks (MVB) 015 to 018
Check Fault Codes (repair if necessary) and Perform Basic Setting again
12 = Gear Actuator incorrectly adjusted or measured values out of specification.
Potentiometer, Valves and Selector Finger at the Ball Heads for correct assembly and seating
Perform Basic Setting again after adjusting the Gear Actuator

Creep Point Adaptation
[Select]
[02 - Transmission]
[Measuring Blocks - 08]
Block 025
[Go!]
Start the engine, engage the handbrake and press the foot brake.
Put the selector lever in position E or D.
You can determine the number of creep points left in field 3. It should start at 5 and count down to 0.
Release the brake pedal for at least 3 seconds, press the brake pedal again and hold it for at least 3 seconds.
Repeat the last step until field 3 shows 0.
If the specified value in field 3 is not reached, check fault codes and perform basic setting again.
[Done, Go Back]
[Close Controller, Go Back - 06]


what if they fail, will car be totally dead?

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Re: lupo 3l 1.2tdi transmission problem

Bericht door Johan » 28 dec 2019, 20:52

Ok

In this case you know much more of the 3L than I expected, so I gave you information you already knew.
Where in Holland did you buy this car?
A garage or ?

Let us know what your mechanic finds out

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Re: lupo 3l 1.2tdi transmission problem

Bericht door hiverty » 28 dec 2019, 21:03

Johan schreef:
28 dec 2019, 20:52
Ok

In this case you know much more of the 3L than I expected, so I gave you information you already knew.
Where in Holland did you buy this car?
A garage or ?

Let us know what your mechanic finds out
i bought it from a guy who bought it earlier this year in Holland.
Only what i know is that car is from Holland.

I researched before i started to ask questions :)

But only in this forum i found information about gear fork.
and looks like that is the issue.


Car was really nice.
It's rebuilded to 2 seater.
Front seats are GTI from mk3
sport rear shocks
in front coilovers.
bluetooth kenwood audio, jbl 1000w sub, audio is really nice.

thats why i bought it.

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Re: lupo 3l 1.2tdi transmission problem

Bericht door Johan » 28 dec 2019, 22:26

The gear fork is possible an issue
When it's broken, the car won't get into the 3rd gear.
If you manually can put the gear from 2 to 4 (not 3) then it is for sure the fork

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Re: lupo 3l 1.2tdi transmission problem

Bericht door hiverty » 30 dec 2019, 19:44

Johan schreef:
28 dec 2019, 22:26
The gear fork is possible an issue
When it's broken, the car won't get into the 3rd gear.
If you manually can put the gear from 2 to 4 (not 3) then it is for sure the fork
So today i was little bit angry and tried to get in 4 gear. 4k rev on 2nd gear, then changed to 4. pressed pedal in floor and my car started to pull really fast. checked and car was in 3rd, so gear fork is fine. of course when i swiched to auto i lost my 3rd gear. contacted owner before me and he told that he have never done basics.
noticed that linkage bar not sure how it's called corectly is really loose. metal thing that controls swiching to 3,4,5. so i need to order that new one. do you know what is part number? i can't find it anywhere.

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Re: lupo 3l 1.2tdi transmission problem

Bericht door Johan » 30 dec 2019, 20:38

I presume you are in Holland frequently, so go to a specialist and let the basics be done.
Always a risk, because when your car not passes, you cannot drive at all.

You asked it before:
what if they fail, will car be totally dead?

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